Comments on: Rogers and the iPhone http://davidcrow.ca/article/1886/rogers-and-the-iphone Helping companies with marketing, product strategy, user experience design, and technology development. Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:01:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: The only big thing Rogers is launching July 11th | Bus error: Jake Billo's weblog http://davidcrow.ca/article/1886/rogers-and-the-iphone/comment-page-1#comment-3343 The only big thing Rogers is launching July 11th | Bus error: Jake Billo's weblog Tue, 10 Jun 2008 07:03:28 +0000 #comment-3343 [...] Average revenue per user for Canadian carriers in 2007 was $56 - but under 10% of that was on data services. iPhone users will be seen as “above average” (read: suckers and chumps) to both investors and executives; so ARPU will also follow this trend. [...] [...] Average revenue per user for Canadian carriers in 2007 was $56 – but under 10% of that was on data services. iPhone users will be seen as “above average” (read: suckers and chumps) to both investors and executives; so ARPU will also follow this trend. [...]

]]> By: Chris Taggart http://davidcrow.ca/article/1886/rogers-and-the-iphone/comment-page-1#comment-3157 Chris Taggart Mon, 28 Apr 2008 04:05:51 +0000 #comment-3157 I've heard from some Rogers' employees that Rogers actually has the iPhones (3G) in hand already. They just can't sell them yet, due, likely in part to the Comwave trademark. I’ve heard from some Rogers’ employees that Rogers actually has the iPhones (3G) in hand already. They just can’t sell them yet, due, likely in part to the Comwave trademark.

]]> By: Ken Seto http://davidcrow.ca/article/1886/rogers-and-the-iphone/comment-page-1#comment-3156 Ken Seto Mon, 28 Apr 2008 03:02:51 +0000 #comment-3156 I've had an email conversation with someone from the Competition Bureau about how they let Rogers buy FIDO to effectively create a monopoly in the GSM market. I was basically told they felt there wasn't a need to distinguish between CDMA and GSM service providers so according to them, there was no monopoly. I also had an iPhone but my unwillingness to pay Rogers through the nose for data rendered it useless. Now I use a wannabe iPhone, the HTC Touch. But through Bell, it came with a $7/mth unlimited internet plan. Opera Mini works nicely on it. The phone part ain't so great though. My hopes are for Telus to bring the iPhone when/if they go GSM. I’ve had an email conversation with someone from the Competition Bureau about how they let Rogers buy FIDO to effectively create a monopoly in the GSM market.

I was basically told they felt there wasn’t a need to distinguish between CDMA and GSM service providers so according to them, there was no monopoly.

I also had an iPhone but my unwillingness to pay Rogers through the nose for data rendered it useless.

Now I use a wannabe iPhone, the HTC Touch. But through Bell, it came with a $7/mth unlimited internet plan. Opera Mini works nicely on it. The phone part ain’t so great though.

My hopes are for Telus to bring the iPhone when/if they go GSM.

]]> By: P Kayne http://davidcrow.ca/article/1886/rogers-and-the-iphone/comment-page-1#comment-3009 P Kayne Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:33:31 +0000 #comment-3009 <p>Congrats on finally getting an iPhone. I have had one since October and have been happily been using it at home and around the city. I use Bell’s $35/service wifi service while I am out and about and my own wifi at home. </p> <p>I also have it unlocked with AnySim. So when I am travelling for work, I just get a sim card at the airport when I land and I am instantly up and running. I certainly can’t go back to life without my little buddy. </p> <p>The State of wireless and communications in Canada has sucked since its inception and most notably since the proliferation of mobile phones. </p> <p>The problem is that Canadians don’t stand up for their rights and don’t complain. I have been in Europe, across North America and even in Latin America and the Caribbean. Everywhere else rates are competitive and when you ask how they are so low, the answer is most often that the local public demand is very vocal and have demanded that regulators open up the market to allow more local and international competition. </p> <p>CRTC can not be changed if Canadians don’t demand change. CRTC protecting these Canadian monopolies has done nothing for us. And frankly, now with these prohibitive rates, they are now starting to inhibit the growth of mobile technologies and the mobile internet. </p> <p>One other thing, I don’t agree with the view that owning an iPhone is an exclusive club. Because of the nature of the technology, this <br />is type of device that can and will be readily adopted by all. And associating a cache or being an iPhone flasher is somewhat pathetic. Save that for the Crackberry cowboys.</p> Congrats on finally getting an iPhone. I have had one since October and have been happily been using it at home and around the city. I use Bell’s $35/service wifi service while I am out and about and my own wifi at home.

I also have it unlocked with AnySim. So when I am travelling for work, I just get a sim card at the airport when I land and I am instantly up and running. I certainly can’t go back to life without my little buddy.

The State of wireless and communications in Canada has sucked since its inception and most notably since the proliferation of mobile phones.

The problem is that Canadians don’t stand up for their rights and don’t complain. I have been in Europe, across North America and even in Latin America and the Caribbean. Everywhere else rates are competitive and when you ask how they are so low, the answer is most often that the local public demand is very vocal and have demanded that regulators open up the market to allow more local and international competition.

CRTC can not be changed if Canadians don’t demand change. CRTC protecting these Canadian monopolies has done nothing for us. And frankly, now with these prohibitive rates, they are now starting to inhibit the growth of mobile technologies and the mobile internet.

One other thing, I don’t agree with the view that owning an iPhone is an exclusive club. Because of the nature of the technology, this
is type of device that can and will be readily adopted by all. And associating a cache or being an iPhone flasher is somewhat pathetic. Save that for the Crackberry cowboys.

]]> By: Jim Murphy http://davidcrow.ca/article/1886/rogers-and-the-iphone/comment-page-1#comment-3000 Jim Murphy Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:45:51 +0000 #comment-3000 <p>Imagine yourself as the guy @ apple responsible for rolling out iPhone globally. Even Apple has limited resources which means planning needs to be prioritized. </p> <p>After the US you make a quick list of international markets:</p> <p>China<br />India<br />EU<br />UK<br />Russia/Eastern Europe<br />Brazil<br />Chile<br />Mexico<br />Rest of South America<br />South East Asia<br />Japan<br />Australia<br />..<br />..<br />Canada</p> <p>Point is & we're small and we're complicated. Thast makes making a deal here a pain in the ass. Why bother. I'd go after other markets first too. Its our loss. There should be MUCH more discontent about status quo. But I get the feeling Canadians like the abuse.</p> Imagine yourself as the guy @ apple responsible for rolling out iPhone globally. Even Apple has limited resources which means planning needs to be prioritized.

After the US you make a quick list of international markets:

China
India
EU
UK
Russia/Eastern Europe
Brazil
Chile
Mexico
Rest of South America
South East Asia
Japan
Australia
..
..
Canada

Point is & we're small and we're complicated. Thast makes making a deal here a pain in the ass. Why bother. I'd go after other markets first too. Its our loss. There should be MUCH more discontent about status quo. But I get the feeling Canadians like the abuse.

]]> By: Thomas Purves http://davidcrow.ca/article/1886/rogers-and-the-iphone/comment-page-1#comment-2999 Thomas Purves Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:15:41 +0000 #comment-2999 <p>My theory for the iPhone in canada here: http://wirelessnorth.ca/2008/02/28/i-phone-in-canada-expect-it-as-early-as-this-summer/</p> <p>Canada will come after iPhone2 is out. No Canadian carrier has much clout with global equipment makers, our National carriers are too small. China Mobile or even T-mobile globally, moves more devices in a week than Rogers does in a year.</p> <p>It all comes down to high prices, low competition, low penetration.</p> <p>In the UK average penetration is 1.6 phones per consumer, in Italy 2.0, in Canada more like 0.7</p> My theory for the iPhone in canada here: http://wirelessnorth.ca/2008/02/28/i-phone-in-canada-expect-it-as-early-as-this-summer/

Canada will come after iPhone2 is out. No Canadian carrier has much clout with global equipment makers, our National carriers are too small. China Mobile or even T-mobile globally, moves more devices in a week than Rogers does in a year.

It all comes down to high prices, low competition, low penetration.

In the UK average penetration is 1.6 phones per consumer, in Italy 2.0, in Canada more like 0.7

]]> By: Farhan Thawar http://davidcrow.ca/article/1886/rogers-and-the-iphone/comment-page-1#comment-2996 Farhan Thawar Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:33:40 +0000 #comment-2996 <p>Why are you paying $80 for 200MB when you can be paying $65 for a gig?</p> Why are you paying $80 for 200MB when you can be paying $65 for a gig?

]]> By: Scott http://davidcrow.ca/article/1886/rogers-and-the-iphone/comment-page-1#comment-2995 Scott Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:50:41 +0000 #comment-2995 <p>I didn't see any mention of Comwave here which is another stumbling block for Apple since they own the legal rights to the name 'iPhone' in Canada. If there's any real movement coming on bringing the iPhone (the real one) to us Canucks, Apple needs to get that sorted out first. Any deals they make with Rogers are essentially meaningless until that issue is resolved.</p> <p>Personally, I'm tired of having to hack my iPhone and deal with the hassles involved in keeping it sync'd up in terms of software releases. I've got better things to do with my time & like writing apps for the platform now that the SDK is out, not monkeying around with keeping my phone working. It would be nice to be able to use the data part of my monthly plan without the fear of unreasonable bills too.</p> I didn't see any mention of Comwave here which is another stumbling block for Apple since they own the legal rights to the name 'iPhone' in Canada. If there's any real movement coming on bringing the iPhone (the real one) to us Canucks, Apple needs to get that sorted out first. Any deals they make with Rogers are essentially meaningless until that issue is resolved.

Personally, I'm tired of having to hack my iPhone and deal with the hassles involved in keeping it sync'd up in terms of software releases. I've got better things to do with my time & like writing apps for the platform now that the SDK is out, not monkeying around with keeping my phone working. It would be nice to be able to use the data part of my monthly plan without the fear of unreasonable bills too.

]]> By: Les Muise http://davidcrow.ca/article/1886/rogers-and-the-iphone/comment-page-1#comment-2994 Les Muise Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:02:10 +0000 #comment-2994 <p>Wireless on any level is not where the market wants it to be in Canada. The reality of business travel in this country is that even in the small territories its impossible to function without a cell phone and any corporate system that relies on its sales force having real time on the road access is paying ridiculous rates for mediocre service. </p> <p>Reliability & access in rural areas is questionable at best. In Atlantic Canada the main corridor (better know as the Trans Canada Highway) connecting the key cities is not bad but if you have to travel off the beaten path you better by a client of Bell Aliant if you want any connection.</p> <p>We have a way to go before the concept of wireless everywhere is a reality. </p> <p>As far as the iPhone & Rogers . its time for Rogers (hear me Bill Linton, CFO Rogers) to get off their ass and get on with making that deal.</p> Wireless on any level is not where the market wants it to be in Canada. The reality of business travel in this country is that even in the small territories its impossible to function without a cell phone and any corporate system that relies on its sales force having real time on the road access is paying ridiculous rates for mediocre service.

Reliability & access in rural areas is questionable at best. In Atlantic Canada the main corridor (better know as the Trans Canada Highway) connecting the key cities is not bad but if you have to travel off the beaten path you better by a client of Bell Aliant if you want any connection.

We have a way to go before the concept of wireless everywhere is a reality.

As far as the iPhone & Rogers . its time for Rogers (hear me Bill Linton, CFO Rogers) to get off their ass and get on with making that deal.

]]> By: James Blair http://davidcrow.ca/article/1886/rogers-and-the-iphone/comment-page-1#comment-2993 James Blair Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:56:04 +0000 #comment-2993 <p>As ridiculous as I think the situation is at the moment (Thomas Purves' mobile data graph is just enraging), it is only getting worse. It is clear that the Internet/web is going mobile. When it does, where will Canada be? Behind.</p> As ridiculous as I think the situation is at the moment (Thomas Purves' mobile data graph is just enraging), it is only getting worse. It is clear that the Internet/web is going mobile. When it does, where will Canada be? Behind.

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